GetaSecondLife

Amor e Adultério Virtual

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SL® geral GetaSecondLife 11 https://getasecondlife.net/2008/02/second-life-geral/amor-e-adulterio-virtual/#comments
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“Wonderland: Virtual Adultery and Cyberspace Love” é o nome de um programa que a BBC fez sobre exactamente isso, adultério virtual no Second Life. Tenho lido imensa coisa sobre o programa, mas só agora aqui, via New World Notes (um dos melhores blogs sobre o SL), encontro os videos.

Vou ver agora. Estão aqui: Part1, Part2, Part3 e Part4. Aliás, comecei a ver durante uns segundos. Logo nestes segundos, sério e a prometer coisa complicada. Como todos nós sabemos.

Voltei atrás para colocar o post.
Mais tarde, logo darei as minhas impressões.

Actualização (a quente):

Ok, acabei agora de ver, ainda me estou a rir com aquele número final do Forest Gump e com os comentários no youtube. Curioso o documentário; a partir de certa altura é quase um filme, queremos saber como é que vai acabar (embora seja mais do que óbvio). E tem piada colocarem os dois casais ao mesmo tempo, embora a história feliz – que é muito mais rara – tenha menos tempo de antena. Também dizer mais o quê sobre aqueles dois? Dir-se-ia que seria a coisa mais coerente, apaixonaram-se, largaram os respectivos e foram ser felizes para sempre, cada um com o seu portátil na mesma mesa (há imagens mesmo giras neste programa); mas o mais usual será a outra, claro.
Enfim. Eu já vi este filme. Todinho. São aquelas histórias que não se contam em blogs. 😀

(mas que aquele Lee é o imperador dos cornos-mansos, desculpem lá, é mesmo…)
(e aqueles avatares são todos muito feios e pirosos!)
(e as gajas usam blings; bem, a morena é indescritível, tudo aquilo até dói)
(e fartei-me de rir com a imagem da Barbie)
(e porque raio estão eles nas bolinhas vestidos??? Para não chocar a audiência?)
(e…bem, ide ver e digam lá o que acham. :D)

  • CUSPE Bailey

    Apesar de muitos se estarem a rir, este comentário fala de uma realidade assustadora, aonde o vicio pelo Sl é de tal maneira elevado que as pessoas passam a tornar como prioridade o sl e não a rl como deveria ser. Eu já passei um pouco por isso, em que fazia directas no sl, deixando a minha companheira rl no quarto a dormir, para depois ir trabalhar sem um pingo de descanço, em que quase que desmaiava de sono no trabalho rl. Pois é não abusem, usem mas qb, tudo o que é em exagero faz mal à saude e o sl não é exepção. Dizem todos que conseguem fazer a distinção entre RL e SL , não misturando as coisas, ora isso para mim é uma grande treta, pois todos sabemos que do outro lado de um avatar está uma pessoa, e por mais que não queiramos, todos nos deixamos influenciar e emocionar com o que se passa no sl. Pá já me disseram que é só desligar o pc e já está, o sl não há mais, outra grande tanga, quantas vezes não fiquei a pensar na rl, no que se passou ou iria passar no sl, nos acontecimentos ocorridos com o nosso avatar, etc. . Eu cada vez acho mais que o SL é optimo, desde que não exageremos, nem nos deixemos viciar por ele. 1º estão os deveres e a rl e só depois estão os direitos e o sl. Divirtam-se

    CUSPE

  • Olá Cat, videos interessantes, tens razão aqueles avatares são todos muito feios e pirosos :).

    Deixo como comentário um texto que encontrei num blog em Março de 2007 e que copiei para um notecard que mantenho até hoje. Fiz nova pesquisa para encontrar a fonte e colocar um link mas não encontro. Deixo-vos com o texto. Beijinhos ao Geta e aos leitores.

    ALL THE TRUTH ABOUT SL

    Hello Everyone….
    I have been asked a lot about my opinions of SL many times…I have talked to many people that I have had the pleasure of making friends with since I have played SL. I spent 2 years there and that was pretty enough for me. In that time I have had many conversations about SL and the people I have met and things I have seen. As some of you know I am not afraid express my opinion. I did not plan to express it here but after many requests…I guess I shall *lol*…I hope this makes a few of you happy *lol*

    First of all let me say that it is NOT my intention to hurt anyone or say anything that will offend anyone, but I will speak what I believe is the truth. I will NOT name names or disrespect anyone personally. Also I will not debate afterwards, so if you wanna respond that is fine with me but I will not post again to defend or change my opinions.

    After 2 years of playing SL I have come to find out a great many things… To me SL is not a game…It is a glorified chatroom with a virtual world to help destroy what we have learned to call the “real” world (RL). From what I have seen and heard, I would say that 96% of the people in SL are full of shit and/or lost, 1% are in it completely for financial gain, and the last 2% use it as a place to hide every so often from RL and the troubles it brings. Now I know a lot of people do not wanna hear that but its true.
    Lets begin with the 2% for financial gain. These are very smart and intelligent people for the most part. There are always exceptions to the rule, but no real need to go there. Some are very business oriented, others are very creative, and a few have both to their credit. I am very impressed with those people. The ability to buy and sell property, to know business, and to turn around and make a huge profit. That is not easy, yet they make it seem so. Then you have the top creators of clothing, the time, the effort, the beauty in their designs. I have one word “Awesome!” I wish I had that type of talent. The builders…..Damn I have seen some spectacular work done in SL. I am amazed what they can do!! I couldn’t make a box and to watch these people build cities, building, cars, boats, and planes. The animators and scriptors……TALENT…PURE TALENT!! You are the people that make SL a beautiful place!!

    Next we have the 2% who use SL for a temporary escape from the real world. Everyone needs to escape life for awhile. To go to a place where you can pretty much do anything or be anything you want. SL is a great place for that. People in this group do a lot of different things in SL; building, some design, chatting, romance, and clothing These are the people that dedicate 85% of there time to RL and about 15% to SL or other online games/communities. I do not find anything wrong with that at all and it most fits where I am in life right now. Im not in SL but I play City of Heroes, Guild Wars, Lord of the Rings online, World of Warcraft and beta testing a few others.

    Now lets get to the last group, the 96%…..
    This is where I am sure I will get the most feedback from. I will start out by saying that I fell into this percentile myself at one point. So I am not saying that I am perfect, Im far from it but I will get to my story at the end of this post. Wow….Where to start…..So many different types of people fall into this category…and I am sure that most in this group will deny that they fit here, but guess what? You DO! These people spend 50% or more…Most of the time more..a lot more in SL and spend very little time in RL.
    Griefers: I cannot stand these people but they are here to stay. They seem to have a cult following *lol* Their whole goal in life is to join online games and just cause trouble. They have no life…they do not even wanna play the game they just wanna piss people off and see how much drama they can cause. They are the first ones to make fun of people playing and saying they have no life but yet they spend the same amount of time online acting a total ****…. Kinda ironic eh? Then you have the “part-time” griefers, which in my opinion are even worse because they are complete cowards. These are the people that have a main avie and then make a alt to destroy things and cause the trouble or drama that they are afraid to do on their main avie. To you all…Be a man or a lady and if you have something to say..SAY IT…Don’t hide under a alt to do your dirty work!! Griefers are completely full of shit!
    The Underachiever: Its so hard not to like these people. They are very special people but for some reason they do not see it. Sorry to say that this category is predominantly women and that to me is sad. In my opinion women are very strong, intelligent, and beautiful, that’s why I say it is sad. These are the people who play SL a lot and this is their hiding place from the world. For whatever reason; bad relationship, abusive friends, and/or family, they play SL and hide from the rest of the world. You get to know them in game and they turn out to be wonderful people. They are outgoing, friendly, fun, and very loving people but for some reason they do not feel the same in RL. I have met quite a few people like this in SL and TSO. I am happy to say a few that I have grown very close to have realized just how special they are and beginning to enjoy RL so much more. I just wish there was more who realized it. If you are beautiful, charming, ****y, and make friends easy in SL…..Guess what….You are the exact same in RL…just because you may not look like your avie…so what?…Let the world know who you are..No need to hide and if they judge you cause you not as “****y” as your avie then you don’t need them..People should be (but not always are) judged by their personality. Yes change doesn’t happen overnight but you have to be willing to…”Its never to late to be who you might have been”….The Underachiever is lost but can be easily found.
    The Wannabe: This is a very large group, I could break them down into many subgroups but Im gonna be lazy and put them all together. These wonderful people for the most part need to be kicked in the head *lol*…Wannabe Playas (your game is weak and the ladies speak): Don’t you playas know by now that most of the women speak to each other *lol* They know what you are doing, don’t think they don’t. Womens Intuition is a bitch, trust me I know. Women do the same shit they just don’t get caught as easy it seems. Wannabe Mafia; another group of people I cannot stand. Mafias have been played out since the late 60’s early 70’s…find something else to do online instead of causing trouble and then hiding behind your “family”..learn to fight your own battles.. Shouldn’t be everyone elses fault cause you cannot fight alone. Ooh big bad online mafia..Im scared…Not!
    There are many other types of Wannabes but Im sure you get the point. Wannabes are full of shit.
    The Exhibitionist These people you will never get to know for the most part. No one will. Those avie’s are created for the sole purpose of **** online. They do not spend time or money on making a pretty or handsome avie. They don’t care. They just want the ****. So off they go to xcite or wherever to obtain the bits n parts and into all the **** related spots that exist they go.Now for my favorite part……I don’t have a good name for them yet…so the 80% of the 96% group. I will call you the SL Junkies: …….
    For the most part these are the people that really need to WAKE UP! Realize just how screwed up their reality has become. I am sad, scared, concerned, and totally at a loss to know that people in the world today are just this f’d up!! Deny it all you want….Pretend it don’t exist if you like..but its real and it happens. People don’t wanna hear it cause they KNOW its true. The unnamed is another large group w/ many different issues but I will do my best to break them all down……
    First we have those sometimes humorous people who are in love on Sunday…..Heart-broken on Wednesday….Back in love on Saturday…They write sad poems…sad love songs..change their profiles saying they are off limits..and in days they are in love and engaged again. People look forward to reading their profiles to see what the next day brings. Love is a word not to be used lightly…Use the word lust, it fits you all better. Is it that important that you have a man/woman on SL…You might be better off just having friends instead of this giant circle of heartbreak..what do you think??
    Next is the people who are partnered to their SL man during the day or night and when their partner goes offline or if they are tired of being with them, they run to their alt and find another partner or decide to become a slave. Now in their main avie they say how much they love him/her, how special he/she is, and that noone else will do. Also if you are friends of theirs they will tell you how much they love this man/woman, but as soon as time permits, off they go to the alt and a whole new world. At the same time they get mad at their man/woman if they have friends of the opposite **** that they hang out with just purely as friends. Why even commit if you gonna cheat anyhow? There are no rules in SL that you have to have a partner. Eventually people find out and that is what causes heartache and drama.
    The next three groups of people really make me sick and sad that this happens in the world today. The world is already so filled with hate, dislike, abuse, and dishonesty and its people like the next 3 that make it that way. For some reason unknown to me it is accepted in a online community. People defend it….or decide not to look at it for what it is…people need to open their eyes and see it for what it is…..and not be blind to it.
    The Neglectful: This group has 2 subgroups;
    1) Spouse or significant other: You spend most of your time in SL not paying any attention to your partner. Maybe help around the house during a slow spell in SL or when its closed fr a update. Then you come on to SL and complain about your partner to your friends all day but you are doing nothing to help it either. After awhile your partner becomes immune to it and pretty much goes about his/her time finding their own things to do and then you have the nerve to complain and act like you are the one being neglected. RL is much more important and always should be. You can do a lot of the same things with your spouse or b/f that you do in SL if you get your **** up from the computer. Try it sometime instead of claiming they don’t give you the attention you need when you have your face in a cpu screen avoiding them as well.
    2)Children: Yes Children…Say it aint so…It is so…Now lets get this straight..I have been playing online games or in chat rooms for over 6 plus years. I am not just guessing and making this stuff up. It is things I have seen and even heard myself. People get on SL who have kids and even babies. I am sad to say I have met over 20 people who have newborn children and still manage to play these games 10 hours a day. Children need love, attention, they need to be loved, not set in a chair to be left alone so you all can play a game. That’s awful…Check yourselves!! Then you have the children from age 2 – 12…Guess what they need love and attention too…Not just go outside and play or sit them in front of a TV and watch videos all day so you can not be bothered while you spend time in a fantasy world…That’s f’d up…I have been on skype with people and you hear the children in the background saying….Im hungry can we please eat dinner..and what’s the response….cant you see Im busy right now..get something yourself or you will have to wait until Im done! WTF??? Children are our future….Show them love…after they are in bed..SL will still be here..trust me! I have seen people who send their children to grandparents houses to celebrate holidays cause cooking a big meal and presents..hahaha ..they would have to get up and go out to buy them….and spend time away from SL to actually cook…You still shaking your head..Yes this does happen..but most do not care to see it or ignore it…That’s truly the sad part.
    Married but not Married: These people I will NEVER understand…never say never I know…but Im saying never. These wonderful individuals play SL, they are married in RL but live separate lives in SL. Granted for some couples for some strange reason it works out well, but for most of them it’s the beginning of disaster. You all get online and live totally separate lives…Sometimes acting as if you do not even know each other and never seeing each other. Others choose to be semi close, almost like family but for the most part you do your separate things. You claim that your relationship is strong and this is just a game for fun. You wouldn’t believe the things that go on and the deceit that follows. When you allow your wife/husband to seek out other women and fantasies, even on a game, sooner or later feeling change…you meet new people..you start to have feelings for other people and before you know it that once so called “strong” relationship is gone. That’s when you find out your husband or wife is out meeting new people or calling new people on the phone and having phone ****, meeting at hotels, or just cyberin at night while the other is asleep or away. Once again heartbreak and pain either for the spouse or for the other person you are having the affair with. You got married love your husband/wife and you should need NO other person. Spend time together because b4 you know it..its too late!
    Married but Single: These are the men and women of SL who are married but their partner does not play SL with them. I believe these people need a lot of help and guidance. They need friends to help them out and point them in the right direction. Denial is the main flaw with these people. They will claim night and day that this doesn’t apply to them but as always..YES IT DOES! We will start out with a few examples and favorite sayings; RL is RL…..SL is SL…. or how about….I love my RL, my kids, and my husband/wife…or my rl is complete you don’t need to know the rest…or All you need to know is.. Im a mother/father and happily married…..That is awesome…that is very special..I am very happy for you…Oh wait lets take a deeper look…Your RL is great…yet you spend 10 hours a day on a game not spending time with those people you claim are so great….damn there is more…Ahh you are also partnered to a different man/woman other then your husband/wife..but That’s right your hubby/wife doesn’t play….so I guess it ok…oh but wait…You say you are happy and so in love with your RL hubby/wife..but then you claim to be in love with your SL hubby/wife too…how does that work…Yes I see now..you spend MORE time with your SL hubby/wife then you do your real hubby/wife..then when your rl hubby/wife goes out or goes to work you have **** with your SL man/woman and masturbate to it..and don’t for a minute deny it….You know its true..So you say RL is more important, that you love your RL , and that your husband/wife is your love and everything you need but every night you are on the computer getting off to another man/woman. Lust for another man is cheating especially when you act on it. You love your wife/husband then get your **** off of SL and spend time with him/her…Go make love to him…Go snuggle up to him..watch TV..go to a movie….People who really love their RL and their hubby are not on the computer all day..and when they are…they shouldn’t be looking for the company of another man. Take that bullshit off your profile and just admit..You don’t know the first thing about love..The ones who are truly in love are together…not apart..Don not use the word love unless you know what it means!!
    As for myself….
    I played Second Life A LOT and learned a lot about people and myself. As for myself I finally learned the losses and effects from playing SL as much as I did. I am just glad I was at the right place at the right time. One day I was playing SL and my daughter was talking to my mom on the phone. She told my mom she was sad and lonely cause daddy was too busy “playing that game again.” That’s when I woke up and realized that it was time I stopped playing SL and spent more time playing with her. I am so glad I did because I was missing out on so much. There is no better feeling then when your child loves you and you do not miss a smile. When I played SL I was Denzel Raine, I roleplayed him as a character and not as myself, well sometimes as myself but mostly as a character I had made up in my head. Sometimes it was a good thing but mostly it was a bad thing. After being a chatroom junkie and playing The Sims Online (TSO) next I learned that there was a lot of heartbreak and people playing mind games. So in TSO I became hardened, put up a shield, and I started to roleplay more. Then I was introduced to SL, it was much better then TSO and the romantic “interactions” were much better. I will admit I was addicted big time. I know I hurt a lot of people and for that I am very sorry. It was never my intention to hurt anyone but I was so intrigued and lost in the game I never realized the pain I was causing to others. Im sure some of you are reading this now. I am sorry for anything I did that hurt you. Some of you have accepted my apologies b4 I left SL and others have chosen to keep the grudge and that’s understandable. I wish I could take it all back, but unfortunately we cannot go back in time, only forward.

    Well there it is….I have finally shared it….not sure if it was the right thing to do..but too late now…As I said before I will not post again…I will answer emails if you really have anything to say but I will not debate or fight over my opinions. Hate me or Love me….That’s your choice..I found where I belong and the only thing that matters is that my friends, family, and loved ones in my RL are most important and never again will I lose sleep because some person miles away from some game hates me.

    SL is not a game…it should even be in that category . Games have goals to achieve, winners, and losers. SL is a virtual world with REAL people and REAL feelings. You cannot separate the two. If you play to make $…The $ is REAL…If you play to make friends..Your close friends become REAL…If you have a relationship in game you may not see that person RL but you develop feelings for that person that are REAL..Cause if they were not real you would date anyone and you know damn well you wouldn’t…Its always someone you like…So admit it…SL will always have reality!

    Its never to late to realize that RL has so much more to offer then SL. The 96% can drop lower and lower but its entirely up to you. Imagine a second that if some of you took all of that goodness, kindness, love, intelligence, talent and showed it to the RL……This world would be a much better place. So get outside..meet real people face to face…play with your kids, grandkids…Life is short…Ride it until the wheels fall off…Don’t get too lost in a virtual reality..get lost in REALITY!

    “There are spaces between our fingers so that another persons fingers can fill them”…..not so you can type faster *lol*

    Hate me or Love me! Either way I will be ok

    PEACE

  • Leilah Nishi

    Wow, tanto para dizer qu nem sei por onde começar. Primeiro, tal como disse o CUSPE, esta é uma realidade mais comum do que se poderia pensar – pessoas que não distinguem SL de RL. Admito que a faceta de escape aos problemas da RL é fascinante e pode encadear a perspectiva de qualquer um, mas passar 14 horas no SL é indicador de problemas gravíssimos. Fantasiar (pois é disso que se trata), ao ponto da linha entre realidade e fantasia se desvanecer é patológico. E claro, se não conseguimos resolver os problemas na vida real, também não os vamos resolver no SL – por isso é que a americana continuava a discutir com o parceiro de SL. Enfim, acho que ainda tenho de digerir mais estes episódios =).

  • Há quem continue a afirmar que o SL é um jogo, que desempenhamos um papel e que a qualquer momento podemos desligar o cliente e/ou o computador. Eu tentei incorporar uma personagem no SL mas não consegui. Deve ser falha minha. Sou demasiado autêntica para que no SL não seja eu própria em tudo o que faço.

    O SL não é um jogo e nunca será. É um mundo virtual onde comunicamos com pessoas reais de todo o mundo.
    Para mim, além disso, é um espaço onde aprendo cada vez mais coisas desde melhorar o meu inglês a tratamento de imagem digital. Além disso, é um espaço onde posso ter uma vida glamourosa que nunca terei RL e, neste sentido, é um espaço onde tenho mais reconhecimento que no meu trabalho RL. No entanto, RL vem sempre primeiro. Se, por vezes, não tenho disponibilidade para isto ou aquilo é simplesmente porque ou estou com um daqueles horários de trabalho RL em que não tenho vida social RL ou porque estou ocupada com a minha RL.
    Nunca fiz uma directa por causa do SL e não me vejo a fazer directas por causa do SL. Fazia directas na faculdade…

    Tentei convencer-me que aquilo que acontece no SL fica no SL mas é um erro. Aquilo que acontece no SL também nos acontece RL. Já andei irritada, aborrecida, piursa com coisas que me aconteceram no SL e principalmente com pessoas que conheci. No SL acabamos sempre por ser nós próprios e quando tudo o que há de mau numa personalidade vem ao cima o SL consegue empolá-lo. É uma triste realidade com a qual fui confrontada não há muito tempo atrás.

    O meu dia a dia no SL tem sido uma risota. Entro, vejo se as amigas estão online, abro uma conferência em IM e passamos a noite na risota enquanto eu estou a tratar de mais uma review ou estou ocupada com um evento. Rimos com palermices e apoiamo-nos umas à outras com as novidades RL/SL.
    Para mim, é isto que faz sentido no SL.

  • (excelentes comentários!)

    Cuspe, ainda andavam as pessoas a pensar o que seria o SL, fui entrevistada pela rádio da universidade do Porto e avisei: viciante, envolvente, cuidado com aquilo.

    É evidente que o SL é tudo isso e mais alguma coisa. E há de facto uma atracção grande que causa, em muita gente e principalmente naquelas cujas RL vidas são, falando bem e depressa, uma merda, um vício tremendo. Há que ter peso, conta e medida e pensar muito bem para que é que se quer o SL, o que dali se tira e, do tempo que ali se passa, o que é que fica atirado para o lado. O texto que a Marina Xi aqui colocou, magnífico, dá muito que pensar. Onde é que ali estamos, exactamente? Bom, apesar de tudo não me revi em nenhuma das categorias.

    Leilah, escapes há imensos e a malta precisa deles, seja o SL, um filme, a televisão, um livro, qualquer forma de passar melhor o tempo livre. Aqui acho que a palavra chave é “livre”. Aquele tempo que podemos gastar connosco, que escolhemos a forma. Quanto a fugir dos problemas, não serve, claro. Os nossos avatares são nossos, por mais personagem que sejam: muito bem visto isso de ela continuar a discutir no SL…

    Ana, estou como tu. Não há pachorra para se ser outra coisa que não nós mesmos. Em última análise, provavelmente com quem me dou ali melhor é com as pessoas mais coerentes, que na RL são iguais. E claro que, sendo nós pessoas que estão projectadas num avatar que também somos nós, tudo o que nos acontece de bom ou mau nos afecta. Isso do desligar o botão, já oiço há anos na net, mas no fundo, só vi acontecer a quem era marado já de si mesmo e a quem os outros nada mais eram que veículos para afagos ao ego, por exemplo. Quando há uma relação saudável, de amizade, não se desliga botão nenhum, como é evidente.

    De resto o meu SL é como o teu (como sabes lol). Grandes gargalhadas com as amigas, muita palhaçada, os passeios, as experiências com a “máquina e o software”, inspiração para o blog, mas acima de tudo as pessoas de quem eu gosto. E claro, para mim nada destas relações extra RL me dizem o que quer que seja, já que o SL é a forma mais fácil e mais parecida com a RL de estar com o meu gajo que vive um bocadito longe. 🙂

  • mermaid

    isto É serviço público!

  • Miguel Yesheyev

    Exacto cat! Aqui estou… lol Haja largura de banda… lol! Quando tiver visto os vídeos, comento este post… :p

  • Claro que é serviço público, mermaid, e será sempre.

  • Ana Lu

    O SL É MAIS DO QUE PERIGOSO, APESAR DE UM ÓTIMO JOGO, É MUITO ENVOLVENTE, O PIOR É QUANDO VC NÃO É SOLTEIRO NA RL, E SE ENVOLVE COM ALGUEM NO SL.. ACONTECEU COMIGO, ME APAIXONEI POR UMA ILUSÃO.. E TRAGO A PESSOA EM MEUS PENSAMENTOS PRA RL TBM… COMPLICADO

  • O que é isto????

    A pessoa acima a assinar comentários com o meu nick????

  • Aparentemente tem um nome parecido com o teu (vai ver o comento dentro do blog, está lá o email dela) e é brasileira (ip checks).